MINUTES<= o:p>
CONSERVA=
TION
COMMISSION/INLAND WETLAND AGENCY
CONTINUA=
TION
OF PUBLIC HEARING
THURSDAY,
JANUARY 13, 2005 - 7:30 P.M.
APPLICAT=
ION
#505 – GUERNSEYTOWN FARMS, LLC
PRESENT: &nb=
sp; =
&nb=
sp; Bernard Beauchamp
=
; &n=
bsp; =
; =
G=
len
Duplissie
=
&nb=
sp; =
&nb=
sp; Ron
Jones, Secretary
=
=
;
=
&nb=
sp; =
&nb=
sp; James
Zawadzki, Chairman
=
&nb=
sp; =
&nb=
sp; Charles
Thermer
ALTERNATES PRESENT: =
; Peter
Peluso
=
; &n=
bsp; =
; &n=
bsp; =
; Martha Sturgis
ALTERNATES ABSENT: =
; <=
/span>Susan Atwood
OTHERS PRESENT: =
; &n=
bsp; Chuck
Berger, Town Engineer
=
; &n=
bsp; =
; &n=
bsp; =
; Moosa Rafey, Assistant
Wetlands Enforcement Officer
1. =
Call
Meeting To Order
Mr.
Zawadzki, Chairman, called the Public Hearing to order at 7:35 p.m.
2. &nb=
sp; Roll
Call
Mr.
Jones, Secretary, executed the Roll Call.
Mr.
Zawadzki, Chairman, asked Mr. Peluso to sit in for Mr. Polletta, in his
absence.
Mr.
Zawadzki, Chairman, asked Ms. Sturgis to sit in for Mr. Thermer, in his
absence.
CONSERVATION COMMISSION/INLAND WETLAND AGENCY
CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING
APPLICATION #505 – GUERNSEYTOWN FARMS ESTATES, LLC
JANUARY 13, 2005
PAGE 2
Mr.
Zawadzki, Chairman, read aloud the Ground Rules for the record, as follows:=
“Rules For Conduct of Public Hearing
1. =
The
applicant, or his representative will make his formal presentation to the Commis=
sion
stating the proposed regulated activities, the wetland impacts, and the
alternatives, which were considered by the applicant.
2. =
All
comments, discussions and observations shall be made through the Chair, aft=
er
proper recognition by the Chairman.
This is necessary to ensure that only one person at a time speaks on=
any
issue, thus making it easier for everyone to understand and for clearer, le=
gal
transcription.
3. =
All
persons addressing the Commission shall begin by first clearly stating their
name and address for the record. If
necessary, the person may be asked to spell his name for the record.
4. =
Following
the presentation of the application, the Conservation Commission/Inland
Wetlands Agency will ask specific questions of the applicant.
5. =
After
the Commission has asked its questions of the applicant, I shall then allow=
any
members of the public who wish to speak either in favor of this application=
or
against it, to address the Commission.
6. =
I
shall then allow the applicant to respond to the comments of the members of=
the
general public.
7. =
I shall then allow any members of the general public who wish to
present any additional information or clarifying discussion, to do so.
8. =
I
shall provide an opportunity for the applicant to respond to these addition=
al
remarks if he or his representative so wishes.
9. =
The
Conservation Commission/Inland Wetlands Agency has 35 days from the date th=
at
the Public Hearing commences to complete the Public Hearing. The Commission may ask the applica=
nt for
a 35 day extension of the Public Hearing period if the Commission requires =
any
additional information or wishes to schedule a Site Walk to observe the
situation for themselves.
&=
nbsp; 10. The
Conservation Commission/Inland Wetland Agency has 65 days from the date when
the Public Hearing is Closed to render its
decision.”
CONSERVATION COMMISSION/INLAND WETLAND AG=
ENCY
CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING
APPLICATION #505 – GUERNSEYTOWN FAR=
MS
ESTATES, LLC
JANUARY 13, 2005
PAGE 3
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3. &nb=
sp; Hearing
of Applications
&=
nbsp; A. Continuation
of Public Hearing from December 9, 2004, Application #505 of Guernseytown
Farms, LLC for construction of Guernseytown Farms Estates Phase III, 10-lot
residential subdivision located on Guernseytown Road and Killorin Road,
Watertown.
&=
nbsp; &nbs=
p; Recess
or Adjourn Public Hearing must be Closed by Janu=
ary
13, 2005.
=
<=
u>Franklin
Pilicy, Attorney Representing the Applicant
&=
nbsp; &nbs=
p; Atty. Pilicy: As you may recall this is the =
third
and final phase of the Guernseytown Farms Estates Subdivision. The overall project has been one
that’s (inaudible) or another but we’ve been (inaudible) for al=
most
3 years. But the final phase
consists of 10 residential lots which has now be=
en
reduced during application proceedings to 9 lots. The regulated
activities (inaudible).
(Inaudible) was essentially completed from the applicant’s
perspective at the last Public Hearing session, but the Hearing remained op=
en
in order to be certain that Mr. Berger had received all of the information =
that
he was seeking, and I believe that all of that information has been provided
and have been (inaudible) the applicant’s engineers and the
applicant’s (inaudible).
Everything that staff has been seeking has been provided (inaudible)=
.
&=
nbsp; &nbs=
p; Mr. Berger: This evening Moosa passed out a memo
dated today which I don’t know if the Commission members want to take=
a
moment to read or you want me to just briefly summarize it, I’d be ha=
ppy
to do that. The first 4 items=
there
is material that I have received since my memo of November 9, 2004. The next 4 items that are on Page =
1 and
rollover onto Page 2 are the issues that remain after reviewing the
supplemental information. The=
se 4
issues form the basis of our meeting on January 11th at the Plan=
ning
and Zoning Office with Moosa, Mr. Sakonchick, and Mr. Calabrese. Going onto Page 2, today I receive=
d, and
we came to a general agreement at the January 11th meeting as to
what needed to be done and a direction to go. Today I received via email additio=
nal
drainage calculations and a revised plan that shows a revised outfall from =
the
swales along
CONSERVATION COMMISSION/INLAND WETLAND AG=
ENCY
CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING
APPLICATION #505 – GUERNSEYTOWN FAR=
MS
ESTATES, LLC
JANUARY 13, 2005
PAGE 4
You will see in the at=
tached
plan that they’re in revising the outfall location for the swales the=
re
are two additional areas of impact which are shown on the attached plan whi=
ch
have not been previously discussed, from am engineering technical perspecti=
ve,
it is an acceptable method to discharge the storm water that collects in the
roadside swales.
Mr. Undercuffler: You said it is or it
isn’t?
Mr. Berger: It is.
Mr. Zawadzki: =
Chuck, just for the re=
cord,
why don’t you go back to where it says the revised information was
briefly reviewed and read that into the . . . . second<=
/span>
page there, those 3 points.
&=
nbsp; &nbs=
p; Mr. Berger: The following recommendations are
provided:
1.&n= bsp; = ; The roadside swales should incorporate the standard detail as shown in the subdivision regulations and incorporate a detail of = the necessary minor road widening.
2. The location of,= and a typical detail of the swale areas proposed to be clean should be provided= .
&= nbsp; &nbs= p; 3. = The proposed sediment dewatering basing has been shown to not be necessary for storm water quantity control and it is my understanding that it is being proposed to be eliminated from the plans.
&=
nbsp; &nbs=
p; Mr. Zawadzki: Jim Sakonchick is here, do you have=
any
other questions for him?
Mr. Berger: Not at this time.
Mr. Rafey: Mr. Chairman, I want to
bring your attention to this drawing that’s attached, I gave you a co=
py
of this tonight and it’s highlighted. There are two areas of impact on t=
he
wetlands and 50 foot buffer area which was not part of the original
application. There is an outf=
all
for the drainage pipe with a rip rap area which impacts 224 sq. ft. of wetl=
ands
and 1,012 sq. ft. of wetland buffer area.&=
nbsp;
There is another area next to
&=
nbsp; &nbs=
p; Mr. Undercuffler: What exactly is that
disturbance? I’m not cl=
ear on
that.
CONSERVATION COMMISSION/INLAND WETLAND AGENCY
CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING
APPLICATION #505 – GUERNSEYTOWN FARMS ESTATES, LLC
JANUARY 13, 2005
PAGE 5
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nbsp; Mr. Rafey: Activities . . . . .
=
Joseph Calabrese, Applicant
&=
nbsp; &nbs=
p; Mr. Calabrese: If you recall where my daughterR=
17;s
house is, well down that end Chuck felt the 15 inch pipe that goes across t=
he
road isn’t big enough to handle the water, so what I suggested was to=
put
an 18 inch pipe on my daughter’s property and the driveway that runs =
to
Guernseytown Road to make it big enough to accept the water, and we put that
into the swale so we don’t have a problem with the additional water, =
so
that handles more water.
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nbsp; Mr. Undercuffler: So the disturbance is putting =
the
pipe in?
&=
nbsp; &nbs=
p; Mr. Calabrese: Well it’s a small distur=
bance
by the brook, the stream is maybe I would say 15 feet maybe tops, the rest =
is
my property , and the other part is all my
daughter’s house, and there’s a small disturbance, there is a s=
trip
of wetlands between my daughter’s house and the lot. That little strip, we’re cat=
ching
that water that comes down into there, so we’ll be in that area, whic=
h is
a small area.
Mr. Zawadzki: =
So basically that̵=
7;s
excavation?
&nbs= p; &= nbsp; Mr. Calabrese: Yes, that’s it.<= o:p>
&=
nbsp; =
; Mr.
Duplissie: Is this removi=
ng the
15 inch pipe, and changing it to an 18 inch?
&=
nbsp; =
; Mr.
Calabrese: No, we’r=
e not
removing, the 15 inch pipe is in the catch basin that goes across the stree=
t,
and it’s still going to catch the water in the street. What we’re doing is picking =
up the
swale and the water coming from the wetlands and that lot from my house dow=
n to
my daughter’s house, all that water comes down, we’re picking t=
hat
up and (inaudible) go into the swale.
&nbs=
p; &=
nbsp; Mr.
Zawadzki: So that was your primary concern, C=
huck,
was the swale being able to handle the water at that point?
&nbs=
p; &=
nbsp; Mr.
Berger: Yes, and bringing that
additional water to an acceptable discharge point, which from an engineering
perspective we have that now, no problems.
&=
nbsp; =
; Mr.
Duplissie: And you’=
re
happy now? So far everything =
that
you’ve asked for you’ve received and you’re happy with the
calculations that you received?
CONSERVATION COMMISSION/INLAND WETLAND AGENCY
CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING
APPLICATION #505 – GUERNSEYTOWN FARMS ESTATES, LLC
JANUARY 13, 2005
PAGE 6
&=
nbsp; &nbs=
p; Mr. Berger: Yes, but there are still 3
recommendations not necessarily related to wetlands and wetland setback are=
as,
but there are still 3 recommendations that I still make and I will make as =
we
go forward in this process, not necessarily before this Commission but . . =
. .
. .
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nbsp; =
; Mr.
Duplissie: But that’=
;s not
for us; that’s something that you will take up with P & Z at a la=
ter
date?
&=
nbsp; =
; Mr.
Berger: It can be. As I said I don’t anticipate=
any
further wetlands impacts through the resolution of these 3 outstanding item=
s.
&nbs=
p; &=
nbsp; Mr.
Duplissie: And that’s from the minor road
widening, those 3 items that you’re talking about?
&nbs=
p; &=
nbsp; Mr.
Berger: Yes, the last 3 items on Page 2, so
I’m not 100% happy, but I think we can continue the discussion in
Planning and Zoning cause the resolution should =
not
affect wetlands and watercourses. I
don’t know if that clarifies the issue.
&nbs=
p; &=
nbsp; Mr.
Zawadzki: That’s why I wan=
ted to
read it into the record. Do y=
ou
have anything more to present?
&nbs=
p; =
; Mr.
Calabrese: No, that’=
;s
about it.
&nbs=
p; &=
nbsp; Mr.
Zawadzki: Any other questions fr=
om the
Commission members? At this p=
oint
is there anyone form the general public who has comments on this project; w=
hy
they can state them now?
&=
nbsp; &nbs=
p; MOTION: (Mr.
Beauchamp, sec. Mr. Duplissie) to Close the Publ=
ic
Hearing for App. #505 of Guernseytown Farms, LLC for construction of
Guernseytown Farms Estates, Phase III, 10-lot residential subdivisions loca=
ted
on
Discussi=
on: =
; None
MOTION P=
ASSED
UNANIMOUSLY
CONSERVATION COMMISSION/INLAND WETLAND AGENCY
CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING
APPLICATION #505 – GUERNSEYTOWN FARMS ESTATES, LLC
JANUARY 13, 2005
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&nbs=
p; Public
Hearing Recessed at 7:50 p.m.
Respect=
fully
submitted,
Ronald =
Jones,
Secretary
Conserv=
ation
Commission/
&nbs=
p; _________________=
_________________
&nbs=
p; Lynn
M. LaForme, Minutes Secretary